Zodiac k**er - The Inquest Testimony of Lizzie Borden, Part III lyrics

Q. If she did, would you not have seen her? A. I don't know. She might be in one room and I in another. Q. Do you think she might have gone to work and washed all the windows in the dining room and you not know it? A. I don't know, I am sure, whether I should or not. I might have seen her and not know it. Q. Miss Borden, I am trying in good faith to get all the doings that morning, of yourself and Miss Sullivan and I have not succeeded in doing it. Do you desire to give me any information or not? A. I don't know it! I don't know what your name is! Q. It is certain beyond reasonable doubt she was engaged in washing the windows in the dining room or sitting room when your father came home. Do you mean to say you know nothing of either of those operations? A. I knew she washed the windows outside; that is, she told me so. She did not wash the windows in the kitchen because I was in the kitchen most of the time. Q. The dining room and sitting room, I said. A. I don't know. Q. It is reasonably certain she washed the windows in the dining room and sitting room inside while your father was out and was engaged in that operation when your father came home. Do you mean to say you know nothing of it? A. I don't know whether she washed the windows in the sitting room and dining room or not. Q. Can you give me any information how it happened at that particular time you should go into the chamber of the barn to find a sinker to go to Marion with to fish the next Monday? A. I was going to finish my ironing. My flats were not hot. I said to myself, "I will go and try and find that sinker. Perhaps by the time I get back, the flats will be hot". That is the only reason. Q. How long had you been reading an old magazine before you went to the barn at all? A. Perhaps half an hour. Q. Had you got a fish line? A. Not here. We had some at the farm. Q. Had you got a fish hook? A. No sir. Q. Had you got any apparatus for fishing at all? A. Yes, over there. Q. Had you any sinkers over there? A. I think there were some. It is so long since I have been there, I think there were some. Q. You had no reason to suppose you were lacking sinkers? A. I don't think there were any on my lines. Q. Where were your lines? A. My fish lines were at the farm here. Q. What made you think there were no sinkers at the farm on your lines? A. Because some time ago when I was there, I had none. Q. How long since you used the fish lines? A. Five years, perhaps. Q. You left them at the farm then? A. Yes sir. Q. And you have not seen them since? A. Yes sir. Q. It occurred to you after your father came in it would be a good time to go to the barn after sinkers and you had no reason to suppose there was not abundance of sinkers at the farm and abundance of lines? A. The last time I was there, there were some lines. Q. Did you not say before you presumed there were sinkers at the farm? A. I don't think I said so. Q. You did say so exactly. Do you now say you presume there were not sinkers at the farm? A. I don't think there were any fishing lines suitable to use at the farm. I don't think there were any sinkers on any line that had been mine. Q. Do you remember telling me you presumed there were lines and sinkers and hooks at the farm? A. I said there were lines, I thought, and perhaps hooks. I did not say I thought there were sinkers on my lines. There was another box of lines over there beside mine. Q. You thought there were not sinkers? A. Not on my lines. Q. Not sinkers at the farm? A I don't think there were any sinkers at the farm. I don't know whether there were or not. Q. Did you then think there were no sinkers at the farm? A I thought there were no sinkers anywhere or I should not have been trying to find some. Q. You thought there were no sinkers at the farm to be had? A I thought there were no sinkers at the farm to be had. Q. That is the reason you went into the second story of the barn to look for a sinker? A. Yes sir. Q. What made you think you would find sinkers there? A I heard father say, and I knew there was lead there. Q. What made you think you would find sinkers there? A. I went to see because there was lead there. Q. You thought there might be lead there made into sinkers? A. I thought there might be lead with a hole in it. Q. Did you examine the lead that was downstairs near the door? A. No sir. Q. Why not? A. I don't know. Q. You went straight to the upper story of the barn? A No, I went under the pear tree and got some pears first. Q. Then went to the second story of the barn to look for sinkers for lines you had at the farm, as you supposed, as you had seen them there five years before that time? A I went up to get some sinkers if I could find them. I did not intend to go to the farm for lines. I was going to buy some lines here. Q. You then had no intention of using your lines at Marion? A. I could not get them. Q. You had no intention of using your own line and hooks at the farm? A. No sir. Q. What was the use of telling me a while ago you had no sinkers on your line at the farm? A. I thought I made you understand that those lines at the farm were no good to use. Q. Did you not mean for me to understand one of the reasons you were searching for sinkers was that the lines you had at the farm, as you remembered then, had no sinkers on them? A I said the lines at the farm had no sinkers. Q. I did not ask you what you said. Did you not mean for me to understand that? A. I meant for you to understand I wanted the sinkers and was going to have new lines. Q. You had not then bought your lines? A. No sir, I was going out Thursday noon. Q. You had not bought any apparatus for fishing? A. No hooks. Q. Had bought nothing connected with your fishing trip? A. No sir. Q. Was going to go fishing the next Monday, were you? A. I don't know that we should go fishing Monday. Q. Going to the place to go fishing Monday? A. Yes sir. Q. This was Thursday and you had no idea of using any fishing apparatus before the next Monday? A. No sir. Q. You had no fishing apparatus you were proposing to use the next Monday until then? A. No sir, not until I bought it. Q. You had not bought anything? A. No sir. Q. Had you started to buy anything? A. No sir. Q. The first thing in preparation for your fishing trip the next Monday was to go to the loft of that barn to find some old sinkers to put on some hooks and lines that you had not then bought? A. I thought if I found no sinkers, I would have to buy the sinkers when I bought the lines. Q. You thought you would be saving something by hunting in the loft of the barn before you went to see whether you should need them or not? A. I thought I would find out whether there were any sinkers before I bought the lines and if there was, I should not have to buy any sinkers. If there were some, I should only have to buy the lines and the hooks. Q. You began the collection of your fishing apparatus by searching for the sinkers in the barn? A. Yes sir. Q. You were searching in a box of old stuff in the loft of the barn? A. Yes sir, upstairs. Q. That you had never looked at before? A. I had seen them. Q. Never examined them before? A. No sir. Q. All the reason you supposed there was sinkers there was your father had told you there was lead in the barn? A. Yes, lead. And one day I wanted some old nails. He said there was some in the barn. Q. All the reason that gave you to think there was sinkers was your father said there was old lead in the barn? A. Yes sir. Q. Did he mention the place in the barn? A. I think he said upstairs. I'm not sure. Q. Where did you look upstairs? A. On that work-bench like. Q. In anything? A. Yes. In a box---sort of a box. And then some things lying right on the side that was not in the box. Q. How large a box was it? A. I could not tell you. It was probably covered up---with lumber, I think. Q. Give me the best idea of the size of the box you can. A. Well, I should say I don't know. I have not any idea. Q. Give me the best idea you have. A. I have given you the best idea I have. Q. What is the best idea you have? A. About that large. (Measuring with her hands) Q. That long? A. Yes. Q. How wide? A. I don't know. Q. Give me the best idea you have. A. Perhaps about as wide as it was long. Q. How high? A. It was not very high. Q. About how high? A. (Witness measures with her hands). Q. About twice the length of your forefinger? A. I should think so. Not quite. Q. What was in the box? A. Nails and some old locks and I don't know but there was a doorknob. Q. Anything else? A. I don't remember anything else. Q. Any lead? A. Yes, some pieces of tea-lead like. Q. Foil. What we call tinfoil; the same you use on tea chests? A. I don't remember seeing any tinfoil; not as thin as that. Q. Tea chest lead? A. No sir. Q. What did you see in shape of lead? A. Flat pieces of lead a little bigger than that. Some of them were doubled together. Q. How many? A. I could not tell you. Q. Where else did you look beside in the box? A. I did not look anywhere for lead except on the work bench. Q. How full was the box? A. It was not nearly as full as it could have been. Q. You looked on the bench. Beside that, where else? A. Nowhere except on the bench. Q. Did you look for anything else beside lead? A. No sir. Q. When you got through looking for lead, did you come down? A. No sir. I went to the west window over the hay, to the west window, and the curtain was slanted a little. I pulled it down. Q. What else? A. Nothing. Q. That is all you did? A. Yes sir. Q. That is the second story of the barn. A. Yes sir. Q. Was the window open? A. I think not. Q. Hot? A. Very hot. Q. How long do you think you were up there? A. Not more than 15 or 20 minutes, I should not think. Q. Should you think what you have told me would occupy four minutes? A. Yes, because I ate some pears up there. Q. Do you think all you have told me would take you four minutes? A. I ate some pears up there. Q. I asked you to tell me all you did. A. I told you all I did. Q. Do you mean to say you stopped your work and then, additional to that, sat still and ate some pears? A. While I was looking out of the window, yes sir. Q. Will you tell me all you did in the second story of the barn? A. I think I told you all I did that I can remember. Q. Is there anything else? A. I told you that I took some pears up from the ground when I went up. I stopped under the pear tree and took some pears up when I went up. Q. Have you now told me everything you did up in the second story of the barn? A. Yes sir. Q. I now call your attention and ask you to say whether all you have told me I don't suppose you stayed there any longer than was necessary? A. No sir, because it was close. Q. Can you give me any explanation why all you have told me would occupy more than three minutes? A. Yes. It would take me more than three minutes. Q. To look in that box that you have described the size of on the bench and put down the curtain and then get out as soon as you conveniently could; would you say you were occupied in that business 20 minutes? A. I think so because I did not look at the box when I first went up. Q. What did you do? A. I ate my pears. Q. Stood there eating the pears, doing nothing? A. I was looking out of the window. Q. Stood there looking out of the window, eating the pears? A. I should think so. Q. How many did you eat? A. Three, I think. Q. You were feeling better than you did in the morning? A. Better than I did the night before. Q. You were feeling better than you were in the morning? A. I felt better in the morning than I did the night before. Q. That is not what I asked you. You were then, when you were in that hay loft, looking out the window and eating three pears, feeling better, were you not, than you were in the morning when you could not eat any breakfast? A. I never eat any breakfast. Q. You did not answer my question and you will, if I have to put it all day. Were you then when you were eating those three pears in that hot loft, looking out that closed window, feeling better than you were in the morning when you ate no breakfast? A. I was feeling well enough to eat the pears. Q. Were you feeling better than you were in the morning? A. I don't think I felt very sick in the morning, only Yes, I don't know but I did feel better. As I say, I don't know whether I ate any breakfast or not or whether I ate a cookie. Q. Were you then feeling better than you did in the morning? A. I don't know how to answer you because I told you I felt better in the morning anyway. Q. Do you understand my question? My question is whether, when you were in the loft of that barn, you were feeling better than you were in the morning when you got up? A. No, I felt about the same. Q. Were you feeling better than you were when you told your mother you did not care for any dinner? A. No sir, I felt about the same. Q. Well enough to eat pears, but not well enough to eat anything for dinner? A. She asked me if I wanted any meat. Q. I ask you why you should select that place, which was the only place which would put you out of sight of the house, to eat those three pears in? A. I cannot tell you any reason. Q. You observe that fact, do you not? You have put yourself in the only place perhaps, where it would be impossible for you to see a person going into the house? A. Yes sir, I should have seen them from the front window. Q. From anywhere in the yard? A. No sir, not unless from the end of the barn. Q. Ordinarily in the yard you could see them and in the kitchen where you had been, you could have seen them? A. I don't think I understand. Q. When you were in the kitchen, you could see persons who came in at the back door? A. Yes sir. Q. When you were in the yard, unless you went around the corner of the house, you could see them come in at the back door? A. No sir, not unless I was at the corner of the barn. The minute I turned, I could not. Q. What was there? A. A little jog, like. The walk turns. Q. I ask you again to explain to me why you took those pears from the pear tree? A. I did not take them from the pear tree. Q. From the ground, wherever you took them from. I thank you for correcting me. Going into the barn, going upstairs into the hottest place in the barn, in the rear of the barn, the hottest place, and there standing and eating those pears that morning? A. I beg your pardon. I was not in the rear of the barn. I was in the other end of the barn that faced the street. Q. Where you could see anyone coming into the house? A. Yes sir. Q. Did you not tell me you could not? A, Before I went into the barn---at the jog on the outside. Q. You now say when you were eating the pears, you could see the back door? A. Yes sir. Q. So nobody could come in at that time without your seeing them? A. I don't see how they could. Q. After you got done eating your pears, you began your search? A. Yes sir. Q. Then you did not see into the house? A. No sir, because the bench is at the other end. Q. Now, I have asked you over and over again, and will continue the inquiry, whether anything you did at the bench would occupy more than three minutes? A. Yes, I think it would because I pulled over quite a lot of boards in looking. Q. To get at the box? A. Yes sir. Q. Taking all that, what is the amount of time you think you occupied in looking for that piece of lead which you did not find? A. Well, I should think perhaps I was 10 minutes. Q. Looking over those old things? A. Yes sir, on the bench. Q. Now can you explain why you were 10 minutes doing it? A. No, only that I can't do anything in a minute. Q. When you came down from the barn, what did you do then? A. Came into the kitchen. Q. What did you do then? A. I went into the dining room and laid down my hat. Q. What did you do then? A. Opened the sitting room door and went into the sitting room; or pushed it open. It was not latched. Q. What did you do then? A. I found my father and rushed to the foot of the stairs. Q. What were you going into the sitting room for? A. To go upstairs. Q. What for? A. To sit down. Q. What had become of the ironing? A. The fire had gone out. Q. I thought you went out because the fire was not hot enough to heat the flats. A. I thought it would burn, but the fire had not caught from the few sparks. Q. So you gave up the ironing and was going upstairs? A. Yes sir, I thought I would wait till Maggie got dinner and heat the flats again. Q. When you saw your father, where was he? A. On the sofa. Q. What was his position? A. Lying down. Q Describe anything else you noticed at that time. A. I did not notice anything else, I was so frightened and horrified. I ran to the foot of the stairs and called Maggie. Q. Did you notice that he had been cut? A. Yes, that is what made me afraid. Q. Did you notice that he was dead? A. I did not know whether he was or not. Q. Did you make any search for your mother? A. No sir. Q. Why not? A. I thought she was out of the house. I thought she had gone out. I called Maggie to go to Dr. Bowen's. When they came in, I said, "I don't know where Mrs. Borden is." I thought she had gone out. Q. Did you tell Maggie you thought your mother had come in? A. No sir. Q. That you thought you heard her come in? A. No sir. Q. Did you say to anybody that you thought she was k**ed upstairs? A. No sir. Q. To anybody? A. No sir. Q. You made no effort to find your mother at all? A. No sir. Q. Who did you send Maggie for? A. Dr. Bowen. She came back and said Dr. Bowen was not there. Q. What did you tell Maggie? A. I told her he was hurt. Q. When you first told her? A. I says, "Go for Dr. Bowen as soon as you can. I think father is hurt." Q. Did you then know that he was dead? A. No sir. Q. You saw him? A. Yes sir. Q. You went into the room? A. No sir. Q. Looked in at the door? A. I opened the door and rushed back. Q. Saw his face? A. No, I did not see his face because he was all covered with blood. Q. You saw where the face was bleeding? A. Yes sir. Q. Did you see the blood on the floor? A. No sir. Q. You saw his face covered with blood? A. Yes sir. Q. Did you see his eye-ball hanging out? A. No sir. Q. See the gashes where his face was laid open? A. No sir. Q. Nothing of that kind? A. No sir. (WITNESS COVERS HER FACE WITH HER HAND FOR A MINUTE OR TWO, THEN EXAMINATION IS RESUMED.) Q. Do you know of any employment that would occupy your mother for the two hours between nine and 11 in the front room? A. Not unless she was sewing. Q. If she had been sewing you would have heard the machine. A. She did not always use the machine. Q. Did you see or were there found anything to indicate that she was sewing up there? A. I don't know. She had given me a few weeks before some pillow cases to make. Q. My question is not that. Did you see, or were there found, anything to indicate that she had done any sewing in that room that morning? A. I don't know. I was not allowed in that room. I did not see it. Q. Was that the room where she usually sewed? A. No sir. Q. Did you ever know of her using that room for sewing? A. Yes sir. Q. When? A. Whenever she wanted to use the machine. Q. When she did not want to use the machine, did you know she used that room for sewing? A. Not unless she went up to sew a bu*ton on, or something. Q. She did not use it as a sitting room? A. No sir. Q. Leaving out the sewing, do you know of anything else that would occupy her for two hours in that room? A. No, not if she had made the bed up and she said she had when I went down. Q. Assuming the bed was made? A. I don't know anything. Q. Did she say she had done the work? A. She said she had made the bed and was going to put on the pillow cases, about 9 o'clock. Q. I ask you now again, remembering that---. A. I told you that yesterday. Q. Never mind about yesterday. Tell me all the talk you had with your mother when she came down in the morning. A. She asked me how I felt. I said I felt better but did not want any breakfast. She said what kind of meat did I want for dinner. I said I did not want any. She said she was going out; somebody was sick, and she would get the dinner, get the meat, order the meat. And I think she said something about the weather being hotter, or something; and I don't remember that she said anything else. I said to her, 'Won't you change your dress before you go out?" She had on an old one. She said, "No, this is good enough." That is all I can remember. Q. In this narrative you have not again said anything about her having said that she had made the bed. A. I told you that she said she made the bed. Q. In this time saying, you did not put that in. I want that conversation that you had with her that morning. I beg your pardon again. In this time of telling me, you did not say anything about her having received a note. A. I told you that before. Q. Miss Borden, I want you now to tell me all the talk you had with your mother when she came down, and all the talk she had with you. Please begin again. A. She asked me how I felt. I told her. She asked me what I wanted for dinner. I told her not anything. What kind of meat I wanted for dinner. I told her not any. She said she had been up and made the spare bed and was going to take up some linen pillow cases for the small pillows at the foot and then the room was done. She says, "I have had a note from somebody that is sick and I am going out and I will get the dinner at the same time." I think she said something about the weather, I don't know. She also asked me if I would direct some paper wrappers for her, which I did. Q. She said she had had a note? A. Yes sir. Q. You told me yesterday you never saw the note. A. No sir, I never did. Q. You looked for it? A. No sir, but the rest have. Q. She did not say where she was going? A. No sir. Q. Does she usually tell you where she is going? A. She does not generally tell me. Q. Did she say when she was coming back? A. No sir. Q. Did you know that Mr. Morse was coming to dinner? A. No sir, I knew nothing about him. Q. Was he at dinner the day before? A. Wednesday noon? I don't know. I didn't see him. I don't think he was. Q. Were you at dinner? A. I was in the house. I don't know whether I went down to dinner or not. I was not feeling well. Q. Whether you ate dinner or not? A. I don't remember. Q. Do you remember who was at dinner the day before? A. No sir, I don't remember because I don't know whether I was down myself or not. Q. Were you at tea Wednesday night? A. I went down, but I think---I don't know---whether I had any tea or not. Q. Did you sit down with the family? A. I think I did, but I'm not sure. Q. Was Mr. Morse there? A. No sir, I did not see him. Q. Who were there to tea? A. Nobody. Q. The family were there, I suppose. A. Yes sir. I mean nobody but the family. Q. Did you have an apron on Thursday? A. Did I what? Q. Have an apron on Thursday. A. No sir, I don't think I did. Q. Do you remember whether you did or not? A. I don't remember for sure, but I don't think I did. Q. You had aprons, of course? A. I had aprons, yes sir. Q. Will you try and think whether you did or not? A. I don't think I did. Q. Will you try and remember? A. I had no occasion for an apron on that morning. Q. If you can remember, I wish you would. A. I don't remember. Q. That is all the answer you can give me about that? A. Yes sir. Q. Did you have any occasion to use the axe or hatchet? A. No sir. Q. Did you know where they were? A. I knew there was an old axe down cellar. That is all I knew. Q. Did you know anything about a hatchet down cellar? A. No sir. Q. Where was the old axe down cellar? A. The last time I saw it, it was stuck in the old chopping block. Q. Was that the only axe or hatchet down cellar? A. It was all I knew about. Q. When was the last time you knew of it? A. When our farmer came to chop wood. Q. When was that? A. I think a year ago last winter. I think there was so much wood on hand, he did not come last winter. Q. Do you know of anything that would occasion the use of an axe or hatchet? A. No sir. Q. Do you know of anything that would occasion the getting of blood on an axe or hatchet down cellar? A. No sir. Q. I do not say there was, but a**uming an axe or hatchet was found down cellar with blood on it? A. No sir. Q. Do you know whether there was a hatchet down there before this murder? A. I don't know. Q. You are not able to say your father did not own a hatchet? . A. I don't know whether he did or not. Q. Did you know that there was found at the foot of the stairs a hatchet and axe? A. No sir, I did not. Q. Assume that is so, can you give me any explanation of how they came there? A. No sir. Q. Assume they had blood on them, can you give any occasion for there being blood on them? A. No sir. Q. Can you tell of the k**ing of any animal? Or any other operation that would lead to their being cast there, with blood on them? A. No sir. He k**ed some pigeons in the barn last May or June. Q. What with? A. I don't know, but I thought he wrung their necks. Q. What made you think so? A. I think he said so. Q. Did anything else make you think so? A. All but three or four had their heads on. That is what made me think so. Q. Did all of them come into the house? A. I think so. Q. Those that came into the house were all headless? A. Two or three had them on. Q. Were any with their heads off? A. Yes sir. Q. Cut off or twisted off? A. I don't know which. Q. How did they look? A. I don't know, their heads were gone, that is all. Q. Did you tell anybody they looked as though they were twisted off? A. I don't remember whether I did or not. The skin, I think, was very tender. I said, "Why are these heads off?" I think I remember of telling somebody that he said they twisted off. Q. Did they look as if they were cut off? A. I don't know. I did not look at that particularly. Q. Is there anything else besides that that would lead, in your opinion so far as you can remember, to the finding of instruments in the cellar with blood on them? A. I know of nothing else that was done. Q. (By Judge Blaisdell) Was there any effort made by the witness to notify Mrs. Borden of the fact that Mr. Borden was found? Q. (By Knowlton) Did you make any effort to notify Mrs. Borden of your father being k**ed? A. No sir. When I found him, I rushed right to the foot of the stairs for Maggie. I supposed Mrs. Borden was out. I did not think anything about her at the time, I was so---. Q. At any time, did you say anything about her to anybody? A. No sir. Q. To the effect that she was out? A. I told father when he came in. Q. After your father was k**ed? A. No sir. Q. Did you say you thought she was upstairs? A. No sir. Q. Did you ask them to look upstairs? A. No sir. Q. Did you suggest to anybody to search upstairs? A. I said, "I don't know where Mrs. Borden is." That is all I said. Q. You did not suggest that any search be made for her? Q. No sir. Q. You did not make any yourself? A. No sir. Q. I want you to give me all that you did, by way of word or deed, to see whether your mother was dead or not, when you found your father was dead. A. I did not do anything except what I said to Mrs. Churchill. I said to her, "I don't know where Mrs. Borden is. I think she is out, but I wish you would look" Q. You did ask her to look? A. I said that to Mrs. Churchill. Q. Where did you intend for her to look? A. In Mrs. Borden's room. Q. When you went out to the barn, did you leave the door shut, the screen door? A. I left it shut. Q. When you came back did you find it shut or open? A. No sir, I found it open. Q. Can you tell me anything else that you did that you have not told me, during your absence from the house? A. No sir. Q. Can you tell me when it was that you came back from the barn, what time it was? A. I am not sure, but I think it must have been after 10, because I think he told me he did not think he should go out until 10. When he went out, I did not look at the clock to see what time it was. I think he did not go out until 10, or a little after. He was not gone so very long. Q. Will you give me the best judgment you can as to the time your father got back? If you have not any, it is sufficient to say so. A. No sir, I have not any. Q. Can you give me any judgment as to the length of time that elapsed after he came back and before you went to the barn? A. I went right out to the barn. Q. How soon after he came back? A. I should think not less than five minutes. I saw him taking off his shoes and lying down. It only took him two or three minutes to do it. I went right out. Q. When he came into the house, did he not go into the dining room first? A. I don't know. Q. And there sit down? A. I don't know. Q. Why don't you know? A. Because I was in the kitchen. Q. It might have happened and you not have known it? A. Yes sir. Q. You heard the bell ring? A. Yes sir. Q. And you knew when he came in? A. Yes sir. Q. You did not see him? A. No sir. Q. When did you first see him? A. I went into the sitting room and he was there. I don't know whether he had been in the dining room before or not. Q. What made you go into the sitting room? A. Because I wanted to ask him a question. Q. What question? A. Whether there was any mail for me. Q. Did you not ask him that question in the dining room? A. No sir, I think not, Q. Was he not in the dining room sitting down? A. I don't remember his being in the dining room sitting down. Q. At that time, was not Maggie washing the windows in the sitting room? A. I thought I asked him for the mail in the sitting room. I am not sure. Q. Was not the reason he went into the dining room because she was in the sitting room washing windows? A. I don't know. Q. Did he not go upstairs to his room before he sat down in the sitting room? A. I did not see him go. Q. He had the key to his room down there? A. I don't know whether he had it. It was kept on the shelf. Q. Don't you remember he took the key and went into his own room and then came back? A. No sir. Q. You don't remember anything of that kind? A. No sir. I do not think he did go upstairs either. Q. You will swear he did not? A. I did not see him. Q. You swear you did not see him? A. Yes sir. Q. You were either in the kitchen or sitting room all the time? A. Yes sir. Q. He could not have gone up without he had gone through the kitchen? A. No sir. Q. When you did go into the sitting room to ask him a question, if it was the sitting room, what took place then? A. I asked him if he had any mail. He said, "None for you." He had a letter in his hand. I supposed it was for himself. I asked him how he felt. He said, "About the same." He said he should lie down. I asked him if he thought he should have a nap. He said he should try to. I asked him if he wanted the window left the way it was or if he felt a draught. He said, "No." That is all. Q. Did you help him about lying down? A. No sir. Q. Fix his pillows or head? A. No sir. I did not touch the sofa. Q. Did he lie down before you left the room? A. Yes sir. Q. Did anything else take place? A. Not that I remember of. Q. Was he then under medical treatment? A. No sir. Q. The doctor had not given him any medicine that you know of? A. No sir. He took some medicine; it was not doctor's medicine. It was what we gave him. Q. What was it? A. We gave him castor oil first and then Garfield tea. Q. When was that? A. He took the castor oil some time Wednesday. I think some time Wednesday noon and I think the tea Wednesday night. Mrs. Borden gave it to him. She went over to see the doctor. Q. When did you first consult Mr. Jennings? A. I can't tell you that. I think my sister sent for him. I don't know. Q. Was it you or your sister? A. My sister. Q. You did not send for him? A. I did not send for him. She said did we think we should have him. I said do as she thought best. I don't know when he came first. Q. Now, tell me once more, if you please, the particulars of that trouble that you had with your mother four or five years ago. A. Her father's house on Ferry Street was for sale-... Q. Whose father's house? A Mrs. Borden's father's house. She had a stepmother and a half-sister, Mrs. Borden did, and this house was left to the stepmother and a half-sister, if I understand it right, and the house was for sale. The stepmother, Mrs. Oliver Gray, wanted to sell it and my father bought out the Widow Gray's share. She did not tell me and he did not tell me, but some outsiders said he gave it to her; put it in her name. I said if he gave that to her, he ought to give us something. Told Mrs. Borden so. She did not care anything about the house herself. She wanted it so this half-sister could have a home because she had married a man that was not doing the best he could and she thought her sister was having as very hard time and wanted her to have a home. And we always thought she persuaded father to buy it. At any rate, he did buy it and I am quite sure she did persuade him. I said what he did for her, he ought to do for his own children. So, he gave us grandfather's house. That was all the trouble we ever had. Q. You have not stated any trouble yet between you and her. A. I said there was feeling four or five years ago when I stopped calling her mother. I told you that yesterday. Q. That is all there is to it then? A. Yes sir. Q. You had no words with your stepmother then? A. I talked with her about it and said what he did for her, he ought to do for us. That is all the words we had. Q. That is the occasion of his giving you the house that you sold back to him? A Yes sir. Q. Did your mother leave any property? A I don't know. Q. Your own mother? A No sir, not that I know of. Q. Did you ever see that thing? (Pointing to a wooden club) A. Yes, I think I have. Q. What is it? A. My father used to keep something similar to this, that looked very much like it, under his bed. He whittled it out himself at the farm one time. Q. How long since you have seen it? A. I have not seen it in years. Q. How many years? A I could not tell you. I should think 10 or 15 years. Not since I was quite a little girl, if that is the one. I can't swear that it is the one. It was about that size. Q. (Marks it with a cross) How many years, 10 or 15? A. I was a little girl. It must have been as much as that. Q. When was the last time the windows were washed before that day? A. I don't know. Q. Why don't you know? A. Because I had nothing to do with the work downstairs. Q. When was the last time that you ate with the family that you can swear to before your mother was k**ed? A. Well, I ate with them all day Tuesday. That is, what little we ate. We sat down at the table and I think I sat down to the table with them Wednesday night, but I am not sure. Q. All day Tuesday? A. I was down at the table. Q. I understand you to say you did not come down to breakfast. A. That was Wednesday morning. Q. I understood you to say that you did not come down to breakfast. A. I came down but I did not eat breakfast with them. I did not eat any breakfast. Frequently, I would go into the dining room and sit down to the table with them and not eat any breakfast. Q. Did you give to the officer the same skirt you had on the day of the tragedy? A. Yes sir. Q. Do you know whether there was any blood on the skirt? A. No sir. Q. Assume that there was, do you know how it came there? A. No sir. Q. Have you any explanation of how it might come there? A. No sir. Q. Did you know there was any blood on the skirt you gave them? A. No sir. Q. Assume that there was. Can you give any explanation of how it came there on the dress skirt? A. No sir. Q. Have you offered any? A. No sir. Q Have you ever offered any? A. No sir. Q. Have you said it came from flea bites? A. On the petticoats, I said there was a flea bite. I said it might have been. You said you meant the dress skirt. Q. I did. Have you offered any explanation how that came there? A. I told those men that were at the house that I had had fleas. That is all. Q. Did you offer that as an explanation? A. I said that was the only explanation that I knew of. Q. Assuming that the blood came from the outside, can you give any explanation of how it came there? A. No sir. Q. You cannot now? A. No sir. Q. What shoes did you have on that day? A. A pair of ties. Q. What color? A. Black. Q. Will you give them to the officer? A. Yes. Q. Where are they? A. At home. Q. What stockings did you have on that day? A. Black. Q. Where are they? A. At home. Q. Have they been washed? A. I don't know. Q. Will you give them to the officer? A Yes sir. Q. The window you was at is the window that is nearest the street in the barn? A Yes sir, the west window. Q. The pears you ate you got from under the tree in the yard? A. Yes sir. Q. How long were you under the pear tree? A. I think I was under there very nearly four or five minutes. I stood looking around. I looked up at the pigeon house that they have closed up. It was no more than five minutes, perhaps not as long. I can't say sure. Q. (By Judge Blaisdell) Was this witness on Thursday morning in the front hall of front stairs or front chamber, any part of the house at all? Q. What do you say to that? A. I had to come down the front stairs to get into the kitchen. Q. When you came down first? A Yes sir. Q. Were you afterwards? A. No sir. Q. Not at all? A Except the few minutes I went up with the clean clothes and I had to come back again. Q. That you now say was before Mr. Borden went away? A Yes sir. (HEARING ADJOURNED. LIZZIE BORDEN RECALLED AUGUST 11th) Q. Is there anything you would like to correct in your previous testimony? A. No sir. Q. Did you buy a dress pattern in New Bedford? A. A dress pattern? Q. Yes. A. I think I did. Q. Where is it? A. It is at home. Q. Where? A. Where at home? Q. Please. A. It is in a trunk. Q. In your room? A. No sir, in the attic. Q. Not made up? A. Oh, no sir. Q. Where did you buy it? A. I don't know the name of the store. Q. On the principal street there? A. I think it was on the street that Hutchinson's book store is on. I am not positive. Q. What kind of a one was it, please? A. It was a pink stripe and a white stripe and a blue stripe corded gingham. Q. Your attention has already been called to the circumstances of going into the drug store of Smith's on the corner of Columbia and Main Streets, by some officer, has it not, on the day before the tragedy? A. I don't know whether some officer has asked me. Somebody has spoken of it to me. I don't know who it was. Q. Did that take place? A. It did not. Q. Do you know where the d**tore is? A. I don't. Q. Did you go into any d**tore and inquire for prussic acid? A. I did not. Q. Where were you on Wednesday morning that you remember? A. At home. Q. All the time? A. All day, until Wednesday night. Q. Nobody there but your parents and yourself and the servant? A. Why, Mr. Morse came sometime in the afternoon, or at noon time, I suppose. I did not see him. Q. He did not come to see you? A. No sir. I did not see him. Q. He did not come until afternoon anyway, did he? A. I don't think he did. I'm not sure. Q. Did you dine with the family that day? A. I was downstairs, yes sir. I did not eat any breakfast with them. Q. Did you go into the d**tore for any purpose whatever? A. I did not. Q. I think you said yesterday that you did not go into the room where your father lay, after he was k**ed, on the sofa, but only looked in at the door. A. I looked in. I did not go in. Q. You did not step into the room at all? A. I did not. Q. Did you ever, after your mother was found k**ed, any more than go through it to go upstairs? A. When they took me upstairs, they took me through that room. Q. Otherwise than that, did you go into it? A. No sir. Q. Let me refresh your memory. You came down in the night to get some water with Miss Russell, along towards night, or in the evening, to get some water with Miss Russell? A. Thursday night? I don't remember it. Q. Don't you remember coming down some time to get some toilet water? A. No sir. There was no toilet water downstairs. Q. Or to empty the slops? A. I don't know whether I did Thursday evening or not. I am not sure. Q. You think it may have been some other evening? A. I don't remember coming down with her to do such a thing. I may have. I can't tell whether it was Thursday evening or any other evening. Q. Other than that, if it did take place, you don't recollect going into that room for any purpose at any time? A. No sir. Q. Was the dress that was given the officers the same dress that you wore that morning? A. Yes sir. Q. The India silk? A. No sir. It is not an India silk. It is silk and linen. Some call it Bengaline silk. Q. Something like that dress there? (Pongee) A. No, it was not like that. Q. Did you give to the officer the same shoes and stockings that you wore? A. I did, sir. Q. Do you remember where you took them off? A. I wore the shoes ever after that, all around the house Friday and all day Thursday and all day Friday and Saturday until I put on my shoes for the street. Q. That is to say you wore them all that day, Thursday, until you took them off for the night? A. Yes sir. Q. Did you tell us yesterday all the errand that you had at the barn? A. Yes sir. Q. You have nothing to add to what you said? A. No sir. Q. Miss Borden, of course you appreciate the anxiety that everybody has to find the author of this tragedy, and the questions that I put to you have been in that direction. I now ask you if you can furnish any other fact, or give any other, even suspicion, that will a**ist the officers in any way in this matter. A. About two weeks ago---. Q. Was you going to tell the occurrence about the man that called at the house? A. No sir. It was after my sister went away. I came home from Miss Russell's one night and as I came up, I always glanced towards the side door. As I came along by the carriage-way, I saw a shadow on the side steps. I did not stop walking, but I walked slower. Somebody ran down the steps, around the east end of the house. I thought it was a man because I saw no skirts and I was frightened, and, of course, I did not go around to see. I hurried in the front door as fast as I could and locked it. Q. What time of the night was that? A. I think about a quarter of 9. It was not after 9 o'clock, anyway. Q. Do you remember what night that was? A. No sir, I don't. I saw somebody run around the house once before last winter. Q. One thing at a time. Do you recollect about how long that occurrence was? A. It was after my sister went away. She has been away two weeks today, so it must have been within two weeks. Q. Two weeks today? Or two weeks at the time of the murder? A. Is not today Thursday? A. Yes, but that would be three weeks. I thought you said the day your father was murdered, she had been away just two weeks. A. Yes, she had. Q. Then, it would be three weeks today your sister went away. A week has elapsed. A. Yes, it would be three weeks. Q. You mean it was some time within the two weeks that your sister was away? A. Yes. I had forgotten that a whole week had pa**ed since the affair. Q. Different from that, you cannot state? A. No sir. I don't know what the date was. Q. This form, when you first saw it, was on the steps of the backdoor? A. Yes sir. Q. Went down the rear steps? A. Went down toward the barn. Q. Around the back side of the house? A. Disappeared in the dark. I don't know where they went. Q. Have you ever mentioned that before? A. Yes sir, I told Mr. Jennings. Q. To any officer? A. I don't think I have, unless I told Mr. Hanscomb. Q. What was you going to say about last winter? A. Last winter when I was coming home from church one Thursday evening, I saw somebody run around the house again. I told my father of that. Q. Did you tell your father of this last one? A. No sir. Q. Of course you could not identify who it was either time? A. No, I could not identify who it was, but it was not a very tall person. Q. Have you sealskin sacks? A. Yes sir. Q. Where are they? A. Hanging in a large white bag in the attic, each one separate. Q. Put away for the summer? A. Yes sir. Q. Do you ever use prussic acid on your sacks? A. Acid? No sir, I don't use anything on them. Q. Is there anything else you can suggest that even amounts to anything whatever? A. I know of nothing else, except the man who came and father ordered him out. That is all I know. Q. That you told about the other day? A. I think I did, yes sir. Q. You have not been able to find that man? A. I have not. I don't know whether anybody else has or not. Q. Have you caused search to be made for him? A. Yes sir. Q. When was the offer of reward made for the detection of the criminals? A. I think it was made Friday. Q. Who suggested that? A. We suggested it ourselves and asked Mr. Buck if he did not think it was a good plan. Q. Whose suggestion was it, yours or Emma's? A. I don't remember. I think it was mine.